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Who's best for US President?
Republican John McCain
25%
 25%  [ 3 ]
Democrat Barack Obama
75%
 75%  [ 9 ]
Total Votes : 12

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The banks didn't *offer* - The democrats who were in charge of admin in Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac mandated the screwy procedures that led to so many people borrowing money they couldn't afford. THEN, when people like McCain tried to warn Congress about the impending doomsday, as far back as 2005 the Dems blocked all efforts to stop the idiocy. They even lied about how well everything was going. All this is documented. I don't know why criminal investigations - wait yes I do, Democrats run the committees and have been since 2006. They don't indict themselves. Ever.

Linvinginparadise, your example is fine but if anyone wants to open their eyes to what is wrong with redistributing the wealth FIRST they have to come to terms with the idea this is NOT doling out tax revenue that has been collected for the purpose of governance. It is the seizing of personal wealth an individual or business has earned by taking the risks and doing what it takes to become wealthy. Listen not only to what Jim Moran said but the *way* he says it. How dare anyone put forth the notion it is "simplistic" for me to assume that if I earn a lot of money I should be able to keep it too. In the streets, the Dems would be thugs and thieves. Pure and simple.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AVARiCE wrote:
livinginparadise wrote:
Can I vote for the squirrel with the nuts? Wink

Regarding the redistribution of the wealth: In my opinion this is just wrong.
example of sharing the wealth...

you go to college, you study hard, get good grades, you don't party or drink and you pay attention in class and you are always on time.

Your roommate however is a party junkie, never listens in class and is failing every subject and is never on time.

Now, you tell your parents that you are doing well and the roommate is not so your parents tell you that you must give half of your good grades to the roommate who didn't even work for it.
Tell me, is that fair?


It's just as fair as banks deliberately offering credit to customers they know can't afford it, bankrupting them and repossessing their houses and causing an economics meltdown. As a result of said meltdown the wealthy people of this world with cash in hand can invest millions into dirt cheap stock and within a year could have doubled their cash.

It's also just as fair as me working my ass off, being an honest man and never bearling malice yet constantly being overlooked for promotion because my boss has friends to promote or another non-work related agenda.

It's also just as fair as affording an education (see America's system). You could be of medium-high intelligence and could get through uni with a 2-1 or so but as your family can't afford it you won't be able to get to college and then latterly university, which would result on you getting the job (and the salary) you could truly deserve.

Each system has its merits and faults, my examples are just as true as yours. I would sleep much easier at night knowing that someone out there is living comfortably at night despite not deserving it than someone out there is living in poverty despite being an angel on this earth. At the end of the day, communism/socialism is about improving the lives of everyone, even if it is only minutely. Capitalism is about kicking someone when they're down and the higher up you are, enjoying the laugh more.

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I sort of want to agree with you, however I am going to have to stand my ground on this subject. I am a first hand American..I have lived the American life for 40 years...and I know from experience that if you want something in life ie* education, money, monetary valuables...that you must work hard for them. There are no free hand outs for anyone except the needy. You have to qualify for those benefits. My taxes pay for those benefits. The less fortunate in my opinion should get work and they will receive the American life that they desire.. The success comes from you not from someone that can give it to you. If a person believes that I should share my wealth because that person is lazy or incompetent than I have no sympathy for them nor will I offer a hand out. That is just my personal opinion. I want to the world to be a better place, however if you want to a man to eat do not give him the food; teach him how to hunt it. he will never go hungry again.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi everybody<sounding just a little like doctor nick>

Ok, I'm weighing into this thing just a little late, I know, but I've not checked the boards for a while so I've only just found this...

I personally can't trust McCain. I've watched him on numerous debates, interviews, etc... And being a study of body language, the man has trouble telling the truth!

Consequently, I found myself unable to listen to anything he had to say, and have little knowledge of his policies. This being a 2 horse race (thought this was supposed to be a democratic system) it would leave me with only one choice.

Sadly, if I had of had the right to vote, I don't think I would have exercised it. Obama is just a little too greasy for me, and although both of these problems are pretty much about the character of the candidates and not their policies, I can't vote for anyone who does not personally appeal to me.

Then there was the running partners... McCain chose a pretty little school teacher type from the 18th centuary, and Obama chose, well, who the hell did he choose? I didn't even see the guy till after Obama's acceptance speach!!!

Palin is just the wrong kind of christian (now don't get me wrong, I have no problem with christians in general), but if she was a muslim, I'd expect her to be running at someone with a load of explosives strapped to her body!

So then, on to the redistribution of wealth... Personally, I've mellowed a bit from my dirty commie views, but I do have 2 points to make:

A man has an idea, he grafts to make a go of it in the beginning because he has little money of his own and can get little funding from anywhere. A few years, a lot of determination, a lot of sacrifices later the man has built a company and money is rolling in hand of fist. Fair enough!

Fast forawrd a few years and this guy now has 100 hard working americans producing his product/service. These guys are grafting, working their arse off, for a pittance (minimum wage or whatever). Meanwhile the original guy is raking it in because of premium prices and cheap labour. Is that right?

Should we all just start up our own companies?

Then who's gonna come work for us if we're all managers of our own business?

Secondly, years later the original guy dies. He's made millions which he leaves to his son, along with his 5 houses, 20 cars, private jet, etc...

The son never needs to work, living comfortably off the interest even though the business has gone down the swanny because he didn't have a clue how to run it. In fact the son's decendants for many generations live very comfortably without having to work.

The workers however, after a life of grafting for the company, for just enough to live on, get squat!

Is that fair?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Erebus wrote:

Ok, I'm weighing into this thing just a little late, I know, but I've not checked the boards for a while so I've only just found this...


Good grief! - it's our very own infrequent guest admin!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Erebus wrote:
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I'm just speechless. Really. You mentioned McCain's body language, were you able to read any of Obama's? I'd love to have your read on him and compare it with what he ends up actually doing. I hope the people of the world don't really believe someone can add a trillion dollars of more spending AND give 95% of the population a tax cut. Or maybe that was 95% of the taxpayers - no wait - Democrats give tax cuts to people who don't pay taxes so maybe it was 95% of the population. Either way. I can't happen. Unless China becomes the 51st state.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i don't know enough to give a proper votation but i would have to say obama . . . . what i know comes from mock the week . . .


yes . . . . votation is made up . . . . it makes sense to me
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Erebus wrote:
Obama is just a little too greasy for me...


I get the feeling of a cheap sofa salesman from him. I believe he believes everything he says, but whether or not the "company" will allow him to deliver his exorbitant offers is unlikely.

And no, I don't believe he can deliver on pretty much anything he's hinted at. He seemed to be offering everything people wanted, but no actual plan to implement.

Actually Minty, I come on here regularly, I just tend not to find anything that interests me enough to respond to.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forgive me double posting, but I wanted to make it clear this was a new post, and going a little off topic to prove a point....

Just read a post by "LP" in the "pinnacle of evolution" (or whatever) thread...

LP, you seem quite happy about your daughter going to whichever prestigious college she chooses, and seem to put a downer on the alternative path she would have taken had her father not paid... May I ask why?
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